Sarah Anderson, LCSW, interviews her previous therapist, Kenneth Robinson, MS, MTS, for a conversation about what constitutes a healing relationship. Although a conversation between two therapists, their discussion applies to all healing relationships, including friends, romantic partners, or between students and teachers. Their conversation touches upon universal themes of the human condition that blend the psychological and spiritual and range from trauma and safety to ecstasy and liberation. As Kenneth says, “Freedom is not a luxury; Ecstasy is not an indulgence.”

“We often think of ecstasy as the pinnacle of pleasure,
but it's really a fierce melt
into horror
and bliss.”

This is a collection of talks and chanting from an event led by Sitaram Dass, “Transformative Ecstasy: exploring the inner essence of the devotional mood,” that was recorded live on 9/28/19 in Arcata, CA.

Become a drunk poet
and wail-moan
for Love scraps.